Need help with my dream

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i don't mean to be rude, but if every small producer and graphic designer ever asked for money to help fund the beginning of their dreams, we'd all be very very poor

i wish you luck in the future

You are right ofcourse, it's not rude.

I'm aware it's a long shot, but I also reached the point where it's either this, or nothing at all for a very long time.

And you know... there are people donating for a prosthetic leg on a duck or a donkey, can you imagine if we did that for every animal?

Appearantly there are people that have money and want to help other people's cause completely without personal gain. If your not into this yourself please share my message, I would really appreciate it. And maybe someone will see it and think "Hey, I was in that situation once"

i don't mean to be rude, but if every small producer and graphic designer ever asked for money to help fund the beginning of their dreams, we'd all be very very poor

i wish you luck in the future

This times a thousand. Do you know how big that step is from brilliantly talented artist to being a pro that can support himself with the money gained from his works. Vanic for example only recently quit his job to fully focus on his musical career, and even though its not my kind of music I must admit he's an exceptional producer. This is not something you want to focus on writing for your 'cause', or something to focus on in life in general. Especially when I see on what level of audio production and graphical designer you are on. There are in Breda an Tilburg alone over 20 HBO studies that focus on audio engineering of some kind or graphical designer. Most of these guys don't have a job but have a portfolio and a skill set 100 times better than yours. People pay to see animals get prosthetic legs because they feel every living creature has the right to have a correct functioning body like people or animals are suppose to have. Its not that they get nothing back. When you see a video of a donkey running through a field like he was reborn, that's something you funded and realized, that is a terrific feeling. Whatever the donkey does with his life and his dream is, no one cares. You think a donkey gets a thousand euros for a laptop..? I hardly doubt people will pay a thousand euros for you to have a PC and possibly in a decade hear some music from you. For those people, you're not just charity, but a hopeless cause. Its harsh but its the truth.

If you really want to make it as an artist, go follow an appropriate college, and use the student loan to get a new PC or laptop. Or/and if you're confident enough look for small companies that need their own in house graphical designer. You can make money to support your dream and grow as a designer and build on a portfolio at the same time.

The best way right now with a crappy PC to get a good paid job is to learn all about websites developing. Front end designer/programmer with back end PHP programming abilities are needed throughout (Breda especially) and get paid well. If you have any free time I suggest learning that. I know as a fact its easier to learn and 'make it' there than when you are just a graphical designer or a producer.

Also, a thousand euros are not needed to keep you going. A 400 euro desktop will do just fine for your home productions and movie making. And even with a crappy PC, a 100 euro soundcard can do wonders for your CPU usage and sound quality.

I'm not saying to stop dreaming, I'm just suggesting you to approach it differently.

Ye.... Bulker :) I wonder now whats your age.

I'm not going to say your all wrong, but a lot of it is.

First, ofc I know I can't support myself only on producing, thats actually irrelevant.

Then... have you thought about my age? you talk about HBO studies, before I finish even one study it will take a decade anyways since you need either an HAVO or an MBO to get into there! And if you want to skip it you can take a brutal expensive test with no refunds on failing.

I assume you also are up to date on the new loan system here in the Netherlands for education?

And might not even get it (not sure about that though)

Making websites is something that I already did and there isn't any money in there if you work from home, businesses that make websites even struggle.

And obviously you confuse me with all the young guys that still have parents to pay for education and went there directly after midschool.

That balloon didn't really fly for me man.

400 euro for a pc or laptop? are you just trying to be a comedian here?

In any case I deleted the page simply because before these days I would have always agreed with you and becs.

However... once in a corner you start changing perspective trust me, I hope this never happens to you.

And last, I know those people have better skills then me, that's what I want to change. Hopeless cause however is hurtfull and I hope nobody ever says that to you since I see you got your own sounds going on.

Tyvm

I don't mean to pry, but was the producer's den not created so that we could cater for, give feedback to and support our users who want to create things for themselves? I see no reason why this should be restricted to music. And it's not irrelevant either, considering this is an internet forum.

Also, constructive criticism towards a person's creation is one thing, but towards how one approaches their decisions in life is a much more risky issue. Solely because it can severely backfire if all it does is serve as satire to the person when considering their background, which you can never know.

Icarez, if you still have the page in limbo somewhere, PM me. I'd love to check it out.

Ye.... Bulker :) I wonder now whats your age.

I'm not going to say your all wrong, but a lot of it is.

First, ofc I know I can't support myself only on producing, thats actually irrelevant.

Then... have you thought about my age? you talk about HBO studies, before I finish even one study it will take a decade anyways since you need either an HAVO or an MBO to get into there! And if you want to skip it you can take a brutal expensive test with no refunds on failing.

I assume you also are up to date on the new loan system here in the Netherlands for education?

And might not even get it (not sure about that though)

Making websites is something that I already did and there isn't any money in there if you work from home, businesses that make websites even struggle.

And obviously you confuse me with all the young guys that still have parents to pay for education and went there directly after midschool.

That balloon didn't really fly for me man.

400 euro for a pc or laptop? are you just trying to be a comedian here?

In any case I deleted the page simply because before these days I would have always agreed with you and becs.

However... once in a corner you start changing perspective trust me, I hope this never happens to you.

And last, I know those people have better skills then me, that's what I want to change. Hopeless cause however is hurtfull and I hope nobody ever says that to you since I see you got your own sounds going on.

Tyvm

I have classmates who are 29, in college age is merely a number. The only thing important when starting a college is the 10 year rule. Get your paper on time, and the loan is a gift. Its called 'prestatiebeurs' for a reason. http://www.iso.nl/leenstelsel/aanvullende-beurs/

There is always a way where you can get an education fitting to your dreams, for example through a speeding MBO course into a HBO. It would take you 6 years, that means 1 year you wont get the student loan, but by that time you can have jobs lining up (judging you follow a good course and have a good portfiolio). The entry tests are not that brutal, you just have to show you can 'think on a HBO level' (which is a bullshit term for saying 'you are aware of your choices and the consequences ' etc etc.) If it is your dream, you should have good motivation and failing should not be an option. My parents aren't exactly rich either you know.

Don't be silly, I know for a fact making websites, especially with back end functionality like webshops, is a gold mine. All companies have more clients request than they can take. I design and program websites from my home and make up to 1500 a website. It's just about having a good portfolio online, showing yourself, and getting the clients.

And yes, 400 euro. I assumed you have a keyboard etc. http://www.alternate.nl/ALTERNATE/Multimedia-C508-Desktop-PC/html/product/1191833?tk=6177&lk=9954 This for example is not a killer machine, but its more than capable of getting you underway. Once you made a few bucks, you can expand the memory to 16gb. Once you made more then a couple of bucks you can sell it for 200 (heck you can even get it now on Marktplaats for 200) and get a new machine.

I apologize for the way I brought hopeless cause, I think there was a misunderstanding. I'm not saying you in particular are a hopeless cause because you're shit or anything, not at all! I mean that the people who have money and visit sites like those rather pay for a picture of a donkey with a prosthetic leg than for any graphical designer or any producer who needs money to start up following his dreams, regardless of their skill. It's like Becs said, if they would have to give money to everyone that has that particular or similar causes they would be very poor. I mean, I would love to make money off my music, wouldn't we all. I can start my own page for my new 1k PC, and it would also be a 'hopeless cause'. I think the word is was looking for is not much a 'hopeless cause', I think I was trying translate 'bodemloze put' in a sufficient way but I failed. Even though thats not really the right word either. I hope you understand!

@Masterchief: I'm sorry but I don't think I can get the page back, I never ment on being a charity case, and I'm fully aware some people need help alot more, also animal who I do love. And your right about the post I could however not find any off-topic section better suited, or did I overlook it?

@Bulker: Did you read that page? they made changes to the system. it's much less beneficial as before. Also. I already had a loan once when I dropped out of my old school due to what was going on in life, and I had to pay it back, no idea if I can ever get one again but since then I'm just working minimum wage full time jobs. I checked several educations and financially it's a nightmare. Also I checked these sort of things http://www.soundeducation.nl/?gclid=CjwKEAjwlsSoBRDoid2ihqnjjlISJABZoG9-865QPDHjcCQaImPHqw29cVeEibRcsH4sKj0Oc0w2_hoC5LTw_wcB

I get what your trying to say, funny thing we both live in breda. I checked your soundcloud it's pretty nice dude. I think the english expression is Bottomless pit :) Guess that's something wich will become clear afterwards.

@Becs: Thank you :)

I wasn't referring to you when I was talking about your post (same goes for the constructive criticism part), it's perfectly fine that you posted here because I was under the impression that the "producer's den" was open to our users' productions, musical or not. This forum is meant to be a community :)

But in any case, I'm sorry the page is gone for good. I wouldn't have minded checking it out and giving you feedback. And if I thought I saw true potential, I wouldn't have minded contributing whatever I would have seen fit either. But that's just me I guess.